Me ~ What does that mean?
John ~ Scientists make fun of the fact that we who believe in God actually do think that 'something' came from 'something'; whereas, they believe that something came from nothing. I at least believe that we came from something and that being is someOne who is the Creator of Heaven and Earth of all things seen and unseen. Yet, they believe we came from nothing. How crazy is that? Which world view is the crazy one? Simplicity cannot create complexity. Only complexity can create complexity. There is no evidence anywhere in nature or our social reality that from something simple came something complex. In fact, the tiniest cell is incredibly complex. Human beings cannot re-create life. Why? It is too complex.
Me ~ I agree, but some say that we came from something and that something is a complex cosmic gas.
John ~ If that were true, then who created complex cosmic gas. Its a rabbit hole for atheists. They stand on the premise that from non living chemistry came living complexity. They don't and can't explain why. I can answer that. "From things that are unseen came things that are" Hebrews 11. Atheists also like to advocate that the universe came from another universe; but all that does is keep kicking the can down the road. They ask... when did the universe begin? Before a Christan can answer that for them, they blurt out - at the Big Bang and that one moment was a singularity event. I say, I don't disagree. God is His complex creativity can point his finger and a Big Bang event occurred. "Let there be Light"~ Genesis.
Me ~ I've heard the argument that we cannot understand the cosmos because it is bigger than we are.
John ~ I say the same, we cannot understand God (an incredibly complex being) because He is bigger than we are; in fact, outside of our time/space dimension. They argue that they can observe and understand the cosmos as in that observation know how the cosmos came to be. I can say the same. I can see and understand God just by looking at His creation - the cosmos and all life and all things in it.
The argument goes on as they continue to say things like "well you cannot know God". They say that the cosmos is knowable. Really? I can say the same thing - God is knowable. They say how? I say because he made you. He made man in His image. I agree that I cannot know everything about him because he is bigger than me. But because He our creator, we can know of Him and because of Him we exist even though God is
outside of our experience of space and time, He is the sum of everything in it.
He is eternal. Though, a person as a 'thing' here and now in this time/space cannot be eternal does not mean that in Him we are not. Even science (what I like to call what God allows us to understand) as practiced here and now tells us that things have properties that are
finite, things decay. The universe is in a state of decay - degradation. The universe follows science - the laws of cause and effect. God is a Creator. He caused man and the universe. Something cannot arise from nothing.
Me ~ I agree but the rebuttal will be that God then has a cause.
John ~ Back in the 1700s, people thought that flies came from garbage. A fly is not the same as trash. Is that any different than imagining a human being from a single cell organism? Both are not true but they can appear that way. Simple things do not come from things less complex. Yet, most atheists say that man came from nothing as that which they are not yet fully capable of understanding. I say we came from something and when the time is right, when God allows, we will fully understand the creator. Scientists of all kinds including mathematicians try very hard to find other ways to explain how something comes from nothing. They can put x in a equation to represent that which they do not yet understand. I don't disagree. X = God and God is x.
As for God having a cause. For those that are not creationists, their best outlet is to say that there is a bubble, one universe inside another. They don't want to confess, they don't want to admit that an intelligence greater than they are can be an un-created being - the first thing and the last ~ The Alpha and The Omega!
“What no eye has seen, what no ear has heard, and
what no human mind has conceived”— the things God has prepared for those
who love him— these are the things God has revealed to us by his
Spirit. The Spirit searches all things, even the deep things of God. For
who knows a person’s thoughts except their own spirit within them? In
the same way no one knows the thoughts of God except the Spirit of
God.What we have received is not the spirit of the world, but the Spirit
who is from God, so that we may understand what God has freely given
us.This is what we speak, not in words taught us by human wisdom but in
words taught by the Spirit, explaining spiritual realities with
Spirit-taught words". 2 Corinthians 2:9-13