Me ~ What is Passover and what does it have to do with Communion?
John ~ The Communion meal is the Passover meal. It is the meal that Jesus gave the Israelites when the angel of death came to kill the first born male while they were in Egypt. It was the final plague declared by Moses to Pharaoh to let his people go. The Israelites were instructed to put lamb's blood over their door frames so that the angel of death would pass over them. Jesus is the Lamb which protects us the lamb's blood protected the Israelites in Egypt. The Passover meal was eaten in their homes while angel of death passed over outside their doors.
Me ~ So, when we take the Communion meal together as Christians we are celebrating Passover?
John ~ Yes, we are celebrating the meal that God instituted for passing over judgement on His chosen people. The Bible says that once we are in Christ we are no longer under judgement or condemnation just as the Israelites were no longer under judgement while they were in Egypt. The Passover meal was a foreshadowing of God's church being passed over for judgement on the last day.
Me ~ Do we need to take Communion every day or every week... on the Sabbath?
John ~ Firstly, the Sabbath was made for man not the other way around. You can take it whenever you want. It is a memorial of God being our Passover Lamb our sacrifice so that we are not judged at the last judgement. Passover comes once a year (Jesus celebrated once a year) and celebrating once a year is acceptable. Jesus never gave us a rule as to how often we should celebrate Communion. I don't have a problem celebrating it often but we don't want it to become a ritual or 'tradition'.
Me ~ Yes, I want to ask about ritual/tradition but first, does a priest or pastor have to issue the Communion meal or can anyone?
John ~ On Passover, a Jewish family would get together and have the meal and it was a family event. There was never any requirement by your family, or by yourself to have it given by a priest/pastor. The idea of a priest doing it is a Catholic tradition going back to about 300 Ad (years after Christ). It has nothing to do with the last Communion Passover meal that Jesus had with His disciples which we call the Last Supper. This meal has always been about Jesus' sascrifice. It was a prophecy that Jesus fulfilled on that day... the last Passover meal before He was crucified. He wants us to remember about His sacrifice for us when we celebrate the Passover meal.
Me ~ Catholics have always considered that communion was necessary every Sunday and that it was a necessary sacrament; something that you were obligated to do in order to become 'savable'... The priest as you know conducts a ceremony at the alter and the blessed wafer is given to each member. They understand that the wafer is the body of Christ and the wine is His blood.
What is wrong with that whole tradition/ritual if there is anything wrong with it?
John ~ First, the wafer does not turn into flesh and the wine does not turn into blood. Jesus only wanted His disciples to understand that the meal was symbolic of His sacrifice. There is nothing mystical about it, so no there is no 'transubstantiation' going on. There is no need for a priest to say any kind of blessing and it is not a ritual. The idea that one must take it to be saved contradicts what Christ and Paul said about the nature of salvation... that believing on the name of Christ and being baptized in the Holy Spirit is all one needs. There is nothing in the Word of God that says you must take communion in order to be saved or any other sacrament or ritual.
Me ~ Many Catholics point to Paul as standing firm on tradition and that traditions are to be allowed or followed. But, I have not found that to be the case in view of scripture. How is that properly understood?
John ~ Jesus replied, "And why do you break the command of God for the sake of your tradition? Matthew 15:3. You have disregarded the commandment of God to keep the tradition of men." Mark 7:8 He went on to say, "You neatly set aside the commandment of God to maintain your own tradition. Mark 7:9 Thus you nullify the word of God by the tradition you have handed down. And you do so in many such matters." Mark 7:13
So... Don't let anyone capture you with empty philosophies and high-sounding
nonsense that come from human thinking and from the spiritual powers of
this world, rather than from Christ ~ Colossians 2:8.
1 Peter 1: 17-19. Since
you call on a Father who judges each man’s work impartially, live your
lives in reverent fear during your temporary stay on earth. For you know that it was not with perishable things such as silver or gold that you were redeemed from the empty way of life you inherited from your forefathers, but with the precious blood of Christ, a lamb without blemish or spot.…
Me ~ What do you use for your Passover meal at home?
John ~ Dry bread usually but it can be unleavened or pita or even crackers. Its what's in your heart, mind and soul that matters when breaking bread with your family or alone and remembering what that means for us/you; His sacrifice on the cross, once and for all.
No God fearing Christian can't be perfectly wise in this world; but a Godly man can have all the wisdom he asks for.
The Analyst
Being Brainy for God
Monday, March 19, 2018
Sunday, January 14, 2018
The Fall of Ai... Its Significance Today!
Ai was referred to as a place in the Bible that was full of corrupted information. Joshua was commanded by the Lord to destroy Ai which is sometimes called, Et-Tell (Intell?).
Me ~ Do you think there is any significance with that name Ai reflecting on today's Ai- artificial intelligence?
John ~ Well, it is very interesting considering that we are at a time when artificial intelligence is on the verge of taking over for humankind. Let us consider the commentary by Matthew Henry on Joshua 8:1 - When we have faithfully put away sin, that accursed thing which
separates between us and God, then, and not till then, we may look to
hear from God to our comfort; and God's directing us how to go on in our
Christian work and warfare... there are and will be people, who kept themselves
from the accursed thing, and they were quickly rewarded for their obedience. The
way to have the comfort of what God allows us, is, to keep away from what he
forbids us.
Me ~ Ok, so is there any significance? Will there be, given the nature of this 'reality' of this fallen world, a kind of return to Joshua 8? If we agree that what we are experiencing an information reality corruption whereat error entered in, then don't we have to consider that today's Ai is another version of the same event.
John ~ Read Joshua 8 - And the Lord
said to Joshua, “Do not fear and do not be dismayed. Take all the
fighting men with you, and arise, go up to Ai. See, I have given into
your hand the king of Ai, and his people, his city, and his land....
You shall do according to the word of the Lord. See, I have commanded you.” So
Joshua sent them out...Joshua arose early in the morning and mustered the people and went up, he and the elders of Israel, before the people to Ai. And
all the fighting men who were with him went up and drew near before the
city and encamped on the north side of Ai, with a ravine between them
and Ai...
And
as soon as the king of Ai saw this, he and all his people, the men of
the city, hurried and went out early to the appointed place toward the Arabah to meet Israel in battle. But he did not know that there was an ambush against him behind the city. And Joshua and all Israel pretended to be beaten before them and fled in the direction of the wilderness. So
all the people who were in the city were called together to pursue
them, and as they pursued Joshua they were drawn away from the city. Not a man was left in Ai ...
Then the Lord
said to Joshua, “Stretch out the javelin that is in your hand toward
Ai, for I will give it into your hand.” And Joshua stretched out the
javelin that was in his hand toward the city. And
the men in the ambush rose quickly out of their place, and as soon as
he had stretched out his hand, they ran and entered the city and
captured it. And they hurried to set the city on fire. So
when the men of Ai looked back, behold, the smoke of the city went up
to heaven, and they had no power to flee this way or that, for the
people who fled to the wilderness turned back against the pursuers.
And
when Joshua and all Israel saw that the ambush had captured the city,
and that the smoke of the city went up, then they turned back and struck
down the men of Ai. And
the others came out from the city against them...When
Israel had finished killing all the inhabitants of Ai in the open
wilderness where they pursued them, and all of them to the very last had
fallen by the edge of the sword, all Israel returned to Ai and struck
it down with the edge of the sword.
What does this 'battle' have to do with man today? Will we be fighting Ai - the thing/entity of a number of people (number of the beast) and those who join in with it? Isn't that just a place, and today we are talking about a thing that has no real place. There is one thing for sure... artificial intelligence is what was being fought by Joshua.
Me ~ What do you mean?
John ~ I mean that information that is manufactured on false pretense, on false information, on untruths that enslave man as it was in the time of Joshua! We should be asking will there be a conquest of Ai today? Yes, and it will likely begin at the second coming of Christ.
Monday, October 30, 2017
The Bible is the Word of God!
Me ~ If the Bible
is the inerrant Word of God then that should mean that all of the universe with
the heavens and earth are also inerrant = perfectly true. Shouldn't it?
John ~ Yes and No. Yes,
because the Bible as the Word of God tells us that the Word of God is true and
that all of God's creation is true. Anything created by God would be created
perfectly and perfectly true. However, we are told that this world is a fallen
world. Which gives
us a No answer as that implies the universe is not perfectly true since we are told that this is a fallen world.
And, that would seem to imply to the word as well. But, it does not. Just
because the product is broke does not mean the instructions were written
improperly and imperfectly. In fact, a broken product implies that the product
was once unbroken and was in perfect condition, doesn't it?
You see, we are in a fallen 'corrupted version' of the perfect world which was not by God's doing. It was by our doing because we failed in following the instructions properly. God's version where we used to be is a higher version, an HD version, from which humans are now banned until the second coming.
Me ~ Is there any truth at all in this corrupted version?
John ~ Yes, but it is not the same HD version. Man simply does not have the
ability to see and exist in the HD version. Better would be to say that man's
ability has been masked by sin (failure to follow commands) and man was thus
clothed in a skin 'garment' which has an expiration date in this version. An
event that will collapse the old version and bring forth and or allow a
permanent upgrade to the HD version.
We have been introduced to the HD version by and through Jesus Christ. He was/is the conduit or way to the Father and His 'HD' Kingdom. We are told in scripture that in/through Christ the old man 'program' is dead and a new creation exists in Him ~ Jesus Christ.
Me ~ But, still you might yet say - Wouldn't that mean that the Word of God here and now in this fallen world is not perfectly clear to us/may not be true? And, that for some it is foolishness.
John ~ Yes, that is why the Bible is able to answer itself in most
instances (3 copies of the same); also, Jesus spoke in parables so that we
would not just see the word and take it as a one dimensional or one bit of
information but to go deeper into what was/is the Word by hearing it in the
stories He told. And, by sending His
Holy Spirit we are now able to discern.
It is by the power of the Holy Spirit
that we hear the Word of God and the truth of His Kingdom to come, not see it,
as faith comes by hearing not by sight. Man in this fallen version always has
to see it to believe it. This is due to the condition of the fallen world.
Me ~ What does the HD version of God's Kingdom look like?
John ~ Then I saw a new heaven and a new earth, for the first heaven and earth had passed away, and the sea was no more. I saw the holy city, the new Jerusalem, coming down out of heaven from God, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband. And I heard a loud voice from the throne saying: “Behold, the dwelling place of God is with man, and He will live with them. They will be His people, and God Himself will be with them as their God. He will wipe away every tear from their eyes, and there will be no more death or mourning or crying or pain, for the former things have passed away.”…Revelation 21:1-4.
John ~ Then I saw a new heaven and a new earth, for the first heaven and earth had passed away, and the sea was no more. I saw the holy city, the new Jerusalem, coming down out of heaven from God, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband. And I heard a loud voice from the throne saying: “Behold, the dwelling place of God is with man, and He will live with them. They will be His people, and God Himself will be with them as their God. He will wipe away every tear from their eyes, and there will be no more death or mourning or crying or pain, for the former things have passed away.”…Revelation 21:1-4.
Sunday, October 15, 2017
What will the Kingdom of God Be Like?
Me ~ Don't you think that a lot of Christians don't really know what the Kingdom will be like?
John ~ Yes, most Christians have not got a clue what it will be like to live in the Kingdom. Most of those in the world think that they will sit in the clouds playing a harp or be in church all day singing hymns. While the nominal Christian thinks it will be good but does not have clue what good is. The true Christian knows that it will be wonderful to be with Jesus and believes it will be glorious to be in His presence.
Me ~ Agree. I think its because they haven't read scripture or that they prefer their own imaginations or someone's imagination of it that they have picked up on or learned. I would add that many people 'Christians' think that heaven will be a kind of servitude to a god like entity ...something like Zeus from Greek mythology and that the place for that servitude is some kind of fairy castle in a mystical heaven or other dimensional realm.
My question is - How do you know that what they think is incorrect and what will the Kingdom be like?
John ~ In order to understand the Kingdom, we must first describe how we will exist in it. We will be our true self - a spirit. Of course, some will argue that is not true and its because they exist only in the flesh, what they can see. They think that once we leave this body there is nothing else. But, that is not true. We are spirit and we are life just as Jesus said He was, we will be once again. That is what we were before the fall. A spirit is a higher physical entity. Again, too many people in and of the world think a spirit is a nebulous entity that hovers around in existence. But a spirit is a non scientific word for a higher dimensional body. A body that can exist in a higher space and time dimension.
Spirits are more real than we are and have powers far beyond our own - angels i.e. As our true self = 'spirit' we will be more physically real, we will be doing physically real things in the new heavens and new earth which will be joined together in one place. No one longer will the earth, and this universe be separate from God and the heavens.
Me ~ How did we get in this 'fleshly fallen state'?
John ~ Well, you know Genesis and that Adam and Eve sinned against God and they hid from Him. So, God put skin on Adam and Eve, He clothed them. He did not kill an animal to do it. God simply put human skin on them. Now, clothed in the flesh they/we lost the power and access to God that they/we used to have and became trapped in this fleshly 3D world with its limitations and its fallen condition.
Me ~ Yes, I know and I agree but there must be some purpose served in this fleshly state, right?
John ~ Yes, we have to be renewed in the spirit through this fleshly state. However, the perfect state for you and me is to live in the body that Jesus had received at the resurrection. Again, we are in this world but not of it... just temporarily trapped here until God separates the tares from the wheat.
Me ~ What will we be doing in the Kingdom?
John ~ For one, we will be drinking good wine and eating really good food. Jesus says we will be doing both in the Kingdom. And, we will be doing the same things Adam and Eve were doing; maintaining and beautifying the world that God gave us, the one in the new Kingdom which will be without pain, without sin, disease, and tears.
We know that God is going to make a massive planet city called the New Jerusalem that has streets and mansions, homes with rooms ... each person will eat from his/her own tree. So, we will be gardening. I suspect we will be doing a lot of other things too, we will be ruling and reigning with Him which implies administration. After all, His Kingdom comes to redeem which intends to replace man's government, man's way of doing things in this fallen world.
Then I saw “a new heaven and a new earth,” for the first heaven and the first earth had passed away, and there was no longer any sea. I saw the Holy City, the new Jerusalem, coming down out of heaven from God, prepared as a bride beautifully dressed for her husband. And I heard a loud voice from the throne saying, “Look! God’s dwelling place is now among the people, and he will dwell with them. They will be his people, and God himself will be with them and be their God. ‘He will wipe every tear from their eyes. There will be no more death or mourning or crying or pain, for the old order of things has passed away" ~ Revelation 21:1-4.
Me ~ How can we prepare for the coming Kingdom of God?
John~ "Repent and be baptized, every one of you, in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins. And you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit" ~ Acts 2:38.
John ~ Yes, most Christians have not got a clue what it will be like to live in the Kingdom. Most of those in the world think that they will sit in the clouds playing a harp or be in church all day singing hymns. While the nominal Christian thinks it will be good but does not have clue what good is. The true Christian knows that it will be wonderful to be with Jesus and believes it will be glorious to be in His presence.
Me ~ Agree. I think its because they haven't read scripture or that they prefer their own imaginations or someone's imagination of it that they have picked up on or learned. I would add that many people 'Christians' think that heaven will be a kind of servitude to a god like entity ...something like Zeus from Greek mythology and that the place for that servitude is some kind of fairy castle in a mystical heaven or other dimensional realm.
My question is - How do you know that what they think is incorrect and what will the Kingdom be like?
John ~ In order to understand the Kingdom, we must first describe how we will exist in it. We will be our true self - a spirit. Of course, some will argue that is not true and its because they exist only in the flesh, what they can see. They think that once we leave this body there is nothing else. But, that is not true. We are spirit and we are life just as Jesus said He was, we will be once again. That is what we were before the fall. A spirit is a higher physical entity. Again, too many people in and of the world think a spirit is a nebulous entity that hovers around in existence. But a spirit is a non scientific word for a higher dimensional body. A body that can exist in a higher space and time dimension.
Spirits are more real than we are and have powers far beyond our own - angels i.e. As our true self = 'spirit' we will be more physically real, we will be doing physically real things in the new heavens and new earth which will be joined together in one place. No one longer will the earth, and this universe be separate from God and the heavens.
Me ~ How did we get in this 'fleshly fallen state'?
John ~ Well, you know Genesis and that Adam and Eve sinned against God and they hid from Him. So, God put skin on Adam and Eve, He clothed them. He did not kill an animal to do it. God simply put human skin on them. Now, clothed in the flesh they/we lost the power and access to God that they/we used to have and became trapped in this fleshly 3D world with its limitations and its fallen condition.
Me ~ Yes, I know and I agree but there must be some purpose served in this fleshly state, right?
John ~ Yes, we have to be renewed in the spirit through this fleshly state. However, the perfect state for you and me is to live in the body that Jesus had received at the resurrection. Again, we are in this world but not of it... just temporarily trapped here until God separates the tares from the wheat.
Me ~ What will we be doing in the Kingdom?
John ~ For one, we will be drinking good wine and eating really good food. Jesus says we will be doing both in the Kingdom. And, we will be doing the same things Adam and Eve were doing; maintaining and beautifying the world that God gave us, the one in the new Kingdom which will be without pain, without sin, disease, and tears.
We know that God is going to make a massive planet city called the New Jerusalem that has streets and mansions, homes with rooms ... each person will eat from his/her own tree. So, we will be gardening. I suspect we will be doing a lot of other things too, we will be ruling and reigning with Him which implies administration. After all, His Kingdom comes to redeem which intends to replace man's government, man's way of doing things in this fallen world.
Then I saw “a new heaven and a new earth,” for the first heaven and the first earth had passed away, and there was no longer any sea. I saw the Holy City, the new Jerusalem, coming down out of heaven from God, prepared as a bride beautifully dressed for her husband. And I heard a loud voice from the throne saying, “Look! God’s dwelling place is now among the people, and he will dwell with them. They will be his people, and God himself will be with them and be their God. ‘He will wipe every tear from their eyes. There will be no more death or mourning or crying or pain, for the old order of things has passed away" ~ Revelation 21:1-4.
Me ~ How can we prepare for the coming Kingdom of God?
John~ "Repent and be baptized, every one of you, in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins. And you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit" ~ Acts 2:38.
Sunday, June 4, 2017
Gender Confusion ~ A Sign of End Times?
One cause of society collapse is due to Destratification. This happens when complex societies stratified on the basis
of class, gender, race or some other salient factor become much more
homogeneous or horizontally structured as in egalitarian.
Me ~ What is your take on this from the point of view as a Christian?
John ~ They 'the reprobate elites' want to deconstruct the established absolute and make a new one which has no absolute at all which means anything goes cause its based on how a person feels.We have a corrupt leadership in this country which is ideological in favor of collectivist. They want absolutely do not like the white Christian world view which has been in ascendance for some time.
Me ~ Agree, but from a biblical perspective, how do you see this destratification as problematic for Christianity?
John ~ Because, they 'reprobate elite who are largely feminized' are trying to de-stratify the western society which is Christian. They began by laying accusations that white men created a system that holds back everyone from being who they want to be. Thus, they demonize western civilization and philosophy in order to create a more homogeneous or horizontally structured one that will become eventually gray and phony in a 'natural' sense as well as an abomination in a godly sense.
Me ~ Why is that the elite have become reprobate and feminized?
John ~ That is a really good question? What happened at the turn of the last century that started this... I think it had to due with the end of slavery. If we gave the right to vote to all men and any race, then why shouldn't women have that right too. Civilized men were demonized.
Me ~ I can see that. So, are you saying then that somehow women as in 'Eve' have been once again the initiate of collapse - fall. And, if yes, then why is that a problem for God's hierarchy?
John ~ Yes, they are. Why? Women who step outside of God's order initiate the collapse of God's fundamental order... God's hierarchy is the nuclear family was attacked - man/woman/kids. This nucleus is the foundation of any society. His order has reason and purpose. It does not give anyone who is at the top of the hierarchy the right to harm or hurt or put down anyone... those at the top have to answer to God.
Each one of us, men and women are part of the problem. Each then are neglecting their God given role. When you neglect your role, you then blame others for your neglect.
The first thing out of Adam's mouth - She made me do it... And, now we have women blaming Adam for their neglecting their roles as wives and mothers. We have men also neglecting their roles as husbands and fathers, we have all people neglecting their Godly design as a woman or man and it is a sign of society collapse - End Times!
Me ~ What is your take on this from the point of view as a Christian?
John ~ They 'the reprobate elites' want to deconstruct the established absolute and make a new one which has no absolute at all which means anything goes cause its based on how a person feels.We have a corrupt leadership in this country which is ideological in favor of collectivist. They want absolutely do not like the white Christian world view which has been in ascendance for some time.
Me ~ Agree, but from a biblical perspective, how do you see this destratification as problematic for Christianity?
John ~ Because, they 'reprobate elite who are largely feminized' are trying to de-stratify the western society which is Christian. They began by laying accusations that white men created a system that holds back everyone from being who they want to be. Thus, they demonize western civilization and philosophy in order to create a more homogeneous or horizontally structured one that will become eventually gray and phony in a 'natural' sense as well as an abomination in a godly sense.
Me ~ Why is that the elite have become reprobate and feminized?
John ~ That is a really good question? What happened at the turn of the last century that started this... I think it had to due with the end of slavery. If we gave the right to vote to all men and any race, then why shouldn't women have that right too. Civilized men were demonized.
Me ~ I can see that. So, are you saying then that somehow women as in 'Eve' have been once again the initiate of collapse - fall. And, if yes, then why is that a problem for God's hierarchy?
John ~ Yes, they are. Why? Women who step outside of God's order initiate the collapse of God's fundamental order... God's hierarchy is the nuclear family was attacked - man/woman/kids. This nucleus is the foundation of any society. His order has reason and purpose. It does not give anyone who is at the top of the hierarchy the right to harm or hurt or put down anyone... those at the top have to answer to God.
Each one of us, men and women are part of the problem. Each then are neglecting their God given role. When you neglect your role, you then blame others for your neglect.
The first thing out of Adam's mouth - She made me do it... And, now we have women blaming Adam for their neglecting their roles as wives and mothers. We have men also neglecting their roles as husbands and fathers, we have all people neglecting their Godly design as a woman or man and it is a sign of society collapse - End Times!
Sunday, January 22, 2017
Apocalypse ~ "The End of the World"?
Me ~ What is the Apocalypse exactly as we read in the Bible? And, why is it that many people don't like to discuss this subject .
John ~ They are afraid, they don't like the idea that such change 'uncovering' may mean that people will die.
Me ~ What do you mean 'uncovering'?
John ~ Take a look at the definition = An apocalypse literally means an uncovering, a disclosure of knowledge or revelation. In religious contexts, it is usually a disclosure of something hidden, a vision of heavenly secrets that can make sense of this earthly reality. The Bible is the uncovering and revealing of Jesus as the Lord and God of the earth.
Me ~ Yes, I fully agree but for our readers who may not yet 'get it', how can uncovering and revealing Jesus make sense of this earthly reality?
John ~ Because He is the Creator of this world and everyone and everything in hit. All our being is upheld by Him and so He will restore God's original plan. Thus, it will make more sense to us - the upgraded earthly reality will make more sense than this corrupted world we have today.
Me ~ Amen to that! But, will people die in that uncovering because of that will others reject Him?
John ~ Yes, there will be a lot of death. And, yes...they will reject Him and continue to do so. In the book of Revelation (the Revelation of Jesus Christ) even after God releases the forces of darkness upon the world that are conjured up by those who want them to come and even after they cause destruction and death people still will not repent for summoning them. Their hearts are hardened and reprobate... beyond redemption.
Me ~ Why would God release forces of darkness if He knows that they will cause destruction and death?
John ~ He does so because the people want it. Even afterwards they will not repent for their sorcery which means conjuring up evil.
Me ~ Is the death and destruction God's wrath upon the earth?
John ~ Yep. He allows the evil forces to sow death and destruction. At the same, He unleashes the forces of nature against mankind. The season disappear, a volcano or asteroid impact and the earth will change its access and create global darkness. Most life will be wiped out.
Me ~ Is this prior to or after the uncovering / revealing of Christ?
John ~ It is after His revealing and the Rapture of the Saints and just before the battle of Armageddon. The Bible calls this the 'bowl judgments'. The church of Jesus will not be on the world when this happens.
Me ~ Who is the church? We have so many churches and each one thinking it is the true church.
John ~ The church are the elect of Christ. Those that have chosen Jesus Christ as their Lord and Savior... spiritually born again.
John ~ They are afraid, they don't like the idea that such change 'uncovering' may mean that people will die.
Me ~ What do you mean 'uncovering'?
John ~ Take a look at the definition = An apocalypse literally means an uncovering, a disclosure of knowledge or revelation. In religious contexts, it is usually a disclosure of something hidden, a vision of heavenly secrets that can make sense of this earthly reality. The Bible is the uncovering and revealing of Jesus as the Lord and God of the earth.
Me ~ Yes, I fully agree but for our readers who may not yet 'get it', how can uncovering and revealing Jesus make sense of this earthly reality?
John ~ Because He is the Creator of this world and everyone and everything in hit. All our being is upheld by Him and so He will restore God's original plan. Thus, it will make more sense to us - the upgraded earthly reality will make more sense than this corrupted world we have today.
Me ~ Amen to that! But, will people die in that uncovering because of that will others reject Him?
John ~ Yes, there will be a lot of death. And, yes...they will reject Him and continue to do so. In the book of Revelation (the Revelation of Jesus Christ) even after God releases the forces of darkness upon the world that are conjured up by those who want them to come and even after they cause destruction and death people still will not repent for summoning them. Their hearts are hardened and reprobate... beyond redemption.
Me ~ Why would God release forces of darkness if He knows that they will cause destruction and death?
John ~ He does so because the people want it. Even afterwards they will not repent for their sorcery which means conjuring up evil.
Me ~ Is the death and destruction God's wrath upon the earth?
John ~ Yep. He allows the evil forces to sow death and destruction. At the same, He unleashes the forces of nature against mankind. The season disappear, a volcano or asteroid impact and the earth will change its access and create global darkness. Most life will be wiped out.
Me ~ Is this prior to or after the uncovering / revealing of Christ?
John ~ It is after His revealing and the Rapture of the Saints and just before the battle of Armageddon. The Bible calls this the 'bowl judgments'. The church of Jesus will not be on the world when this happens.
Me ~ Who is the church? We have so many churches and each one thinking it is the true church.
John ~ The church are the elect of Christ. Those that have chosen Jesus Christ as their Lord and Savior... spiritually born again.
Wednesday, November 30, 2016
How God is Keeping Sin from Winning Until He Returns!
Me ~ How is it that we see and experience both good and ugly/bad things and that there even seems to be a vicious cycle of this? When will it end... these cycles?
John ~ I like to think that God created cycles so that sin/evil would not win as in take over the program... so to speak.
Me ~ Ok, so then we can say this is how God deals with this fallen world in which evil exists and Satan too... keeping sin at bay until He returns.
John ~ Yes, something like that. Satan did not know Christ would not choose him over the Father. In Luke, we read where confronts and tempts Jesus; and Jesus overcomes Satan. And, Satan did not know that Christ's death was going to save man. Through Christ we are saved, overcomers of this fallen looping world.
Me ~ Evil is a destructive force, isn't it?
John ~ Yes, it is. The looping we experience is a crashing and restarting of the program over and over; thus, looping in a linear progression. Its like this because this is a fallen world and in a state of rapid decay. If I could draw an illustration, it would be a kind of shoestring line that loops and moves forward as it does... This is the looping I described. Its necessary as it allows evil to crash and restart but never ever having a lasting kingdom in this fallen world. Satan too is in this loop and his time is running out and he knows it.
Me ~ So... within that loop also exists God's Mercy and Grace which I assume makes use of the looping as it moves forward, and makes use of evil for His good 'our good' rather than Satan's... right?
John ~ Yes, God's Word (where we find His Mercy and Grace) allows us to be in the loop but not of it. "If you belonged to the world, it would love you as its own. As it is, you do not belong to the world, but I have chosen you out of the world" ~ John 15:19. God's Word is our hope, joy and peace and knowing that we will be delivered from this darkness... this looping. In Him, we can endure all things- "For I can do everything through Christ, who gives me strength" ~ Philippians 4:13...."Thank God! He gives us victory over sin and death through our Lord Jesus Christ" ~ 1 COR 15:57.
Me ~ So, we should not love this world as it says in 1 John 2:15... or it will keep looping, right?
John ~ God has a time for its end and we should be watchful..."Be Watchful for the Day for it will come upon all who dwell on the face of the whole earth. So keep watch at all times, and pray that you may have the strength to escape all that is about to happen and to stand before the Son of Man.” Luke 21:35-36.
John ~ I like to think that God created cycles so that sin/evil would not win as in take over the program... so to speak.
Me ~ Ok, so then we can say this is how God deals with this fallen world in which evil exists and Satan too... keeping sin at bay until He returns.
John ~ Yes, something like that. Satan did not know Christ would not choose him over the Father. In Luke, we read where confronts and tempts Jesus; and Jesus overcomes Satan. And, Satan did not know that Christ's death was going to save man. Through Christ we are saved, overcomers of this fallen looping world.
Me ~ Evil is a destructive force, isn't it?
John ~ Yes, it is. The looping we experience is a crashing and restarting of the program over and over; thus, looping in a linear progression. Its like this because this is a fallen world and in a state of rapid decay. If I could draw an illustration, it would be a kind of shoestring line that loops and moves forward as it does... This is the looping I described. Its necessary as it allows evil to crash and restart but never ever having a lasting kingdom in this fallen world. Satan too is in this loop and his time is running out and he knows it.
Me ~ So... within that loop also exists God's Mercy and Grace which I assume makes use of the looping as it moves forward, and makes use of evil for His good 'our good' rather than Satan's... right?
John ~ Yes, God's Word (where we find His Mercy and Grace) allows us to be in the loop but not of it. "If you belonged to the world, it would love you as its own. As it is, you do not belong to the world, but I have chosen you out of the world" ~ John 15:19. God's Word is our hope, joy and peace and knowing that we will be delivered from this darkness... this looping. In Him, we can endure all things- "For I can do everything through Christ, who gives me strength" ~ Philippians 4:13...."Thank God! He gives us victory over sin and death through our Lord Jesus Christ" ~ 1 COR 15:57.
Me ~ So, we should not love this world as it says in 1 John 2:15... or it will keep looping, right?
John ~ God has a time for its end and we should be watchful..."Be Watchful for the Day for it will come upon all who dwell on the face of the whole earth. So keep watch at all times, and pray that you may have the strength to escape all that is about to happen and to stand before the Son of Man.” Luke 21:35-36.
Monday, November 21, 2016
If the Bible is Literal, What is Amillennialism?
Me ~ Is the Bible a real book?
John ~ Yes, the Bible is a real book that must be taken literally. It is a guide to the program Created by God in which we find ourselves. Hence, all Scripture is from a higher multidimensional realm which we have no access to as of yet. The Millennial is not yet here but it will be...
Me ~ Why does the Catholic Church and most Protestant churches promote the Eschatology that is called - Amillennial?
John ~ The problem also with the Catholic Church and most Protestant Churches is their Eschatology... Catholics and most Protestants are Amillennial which means that they apply allegory to most of the Bible and worse the millennial (thousand years where Christ reins on earth with those that have died in the Lord and those of the first resurrection including those raptured) thinking that God is ruling in our hearts only... this goes back to Origen and Augustine. This is not Scriptural. It is spiritually allegorical.
Me ~ Ok, so why does the Catholic Church insist that the Pope is the vicar of Christ on earth?
John ~ The mistaken view taken by the Catholic Church is that the Kingdom of God has already come on earth due to the misunderstanding that there was going to be two thousand years between Christ's accession and His return. Instead of a literal Christ ruling in a literal Jerusalem the Catholic Church has as an institution attempted to fulfill that Scripture that spoke of Christ's ruling on earth. This is called Amillennialism... the Catholic Church sees itself as the Millennial ~God's Kingdom on earth.
The problem with this is that such a supposition calls God a liar because it denies all the Scriptures that describe in detail this millennial period. This is actually replacement theology and a literal replacement for the 'real' Kingdom of God which will come when Christ returns. The Catholic Church pretends to be more than an illustration of that as the Pope is supposedly representing Christ on earth. The lie is that this is replacing Christ with a man... the Pope is a man and thus he is not Christ on earth.
Me ~ Ok, so the Millennial comes after Christ's return. Some people say that when Christ resurrected He also returned... His Kingdom was now upon the earth- the Millennial.
John ~ Yes, Christ's resurrection was not His return. In Scripture, angels say that He will come as He left... Not going up into the clouds but coming down from the clouds. If that were to be taken literally, that at His resurrection, He also returned, then why do we need the Pope. This was the question of the Martin Luther too was Amillennial. Well, we don't need a Pope.
Me ~ So, is there a second coming? Or did it happen?
John ~ It has not happened yet. Read the Bible, there is still so much that has not yet taken place. The sign of the Son of Man will be in the sky. It affects all men on the planet earth. Everyone will see Him... everyone everywhere and they will mourn accept those that are His who will be taken up with Him.
Me ~ Now, what if we imagine that all things are happening here and now as in layers (multidimensional) made possible just by perceiving. Those who do not believe cannot see Him nor His Kingdom. But, those that do believe can see Him and His Kingdom. We could go as far as to say this 'new' perception can and should also include and would have to include the New Jerusalem. How do we then account for the fact that the earth is not located in a new universe? Maybe its just that I don't see it as I am sure the argument would be made like that. And, what about poverty, sickness and catastrophe? I guess it would be explained that those things exist but only for those that do not believe and cannot see.
John ~ Well, you know I am not a fan of supposing the layering illustration only because our experience is linear and that has not changed. Even if I were to try to imagine it, I would still find myself living and dying in a linear state of decay where money makes the world go around. Now, I guess I could toke on a spliff and things would start to look much better not only for myself but as I might see everyone else. Yet, how could I pretend that my best friend didn't have a heart attack or get cancer? How could I could pretend that sins like sexual immorality and murder did not exist but television and news papers are full of it. This is still a fallen world and it is passing away. Thank God Jesus Christ is Coming and when the Real Millennial is here, we will all know it.
John ~ Yes, the Bible is a real book that must be taken literally. It is a guide to the program Created by God in which we find ourselves. Hence, all Scripture is from a higher multidimensional realm which we have no access to as of yet. The Millennial is not yet here but it will be...
Me ~ Why does the Catholic Church and most Protestant churches promote the Eschatology that is called - Amillennial?
John ~ The problem also with the Catholic Church and most Protestant Churches is their Eschatology... Catholics and most Protestants are Amillennial which means that they apply allegory to most of the Bible and worse the millennial (thousand years where Christ reins on earth with those that have died in the Lord and those of the first resurrection including those raptured) thinking that God is ruling in our hearts only... this goes back to Origen and Augustine. This is not Scriptural. It is spiritually allegorical.
Me ~ Ok, so why does the Catholic Church insist that the Pope is the vicar of Christ on earth?
John ~ The mistaken view taken by the Catholic Church is that the Kingdom of God has already come on earth due to the misunderstanding that there was going to be two thousand years between Christ's accession and His return. Instead of a literal Christ ruling in a literal Jerusalem the Catholic Church has as an institution attempted to fulfill that Scripture that spoke of Christ's ruling on earth. This is called Amillennialism... the Catholic Church sees itself as the Millennial ~God's Kingdom on earth.
The problem with this is that such a supposition calls God a liar because it denies all the Scriptures that describe in detail this millennial period. This is actually replacement theology and a literal replacement for the 'real' Kingdom of God which will come when Christ returns. The Catholic Church pretends to be more than an illustration of that as the Pope is supposedly representing Christ on earth. The lie is that this is replacing Christ with a man... the Pope is a man and thus he is not Christ on earth.
Me ~ Ok, so the Millennial comes after Christ's return. Some people say that when Christ resurrected He also returned... His Kingdom was now upon the earth- the Millennial.
John ~ Yes, Christ's resurrection was not His return. In Scripture, angels say that He will come as He left... Not going up into the clouds but coming down from the clouds. If that were to be taken literally, that at His resurrection, He also returned, then why do we need the Pope. This was the question of the Martin Luther too was Amillennial. Well, we don't need a Pope.
Me ~ So, is there a second coming? Or did it happen?
John ~ It has not happened yet. Read the Bible, there is still so much that has not yet taken place. The sign of the Son of Man will be in the sky. It affects all men on the planet earth. Everyone will see Him... everyone everywhere and they will mourn accept those that are His who will be taken up with Him.
Me ~ Now, what if we imagine that all things are happening here and now as in layers (multidimensional) made possible just by perceiving. Those who do not believe cannot see Him nor His Kingdom. But, those that do believe can see Him and His Kingdom. We could go as far as to say this 'new' perception can and should also include and would have to include the New Jerusalem. How do we then account for the fact that the earth is not located in a new universe? Maybe its just that I don't see it as I am sure the argument would be made like that. And, what about poverty, sickness and catastrophe? I guess it would be explained that those things exist but only for those that do not believe and cannot see.
John ~ Well, you know I am not a fan of supposing the layering illustration only because our experience is linear and that has not changed. Even if I were to try to imagine it, I would still find myself living and dying in a linear state of decay where money makes the world go around. Now, I guess I could toke on a spliff and things would start to look much better not only for myself but as I might see everyone else. Yet, how could I pretend that my best friend didn't have a heart attack or get cancer? How could I could pretend that sins like sexual immorality and murder did not exist but television and news papers are full of it. This is still a fallen world and it is passing away. Thank God Jesus Christ is Coming and when the Real Millennial is here, we will all know it.
Sunday, November 20, 2016
Free Will ~ Overcoming is choosing God's way most of the time..
God did not reject His people, whom He foreknew... at the present time there is a remnant chosen by grace.
The crucial question remains: How does God do the predestining while guaranteeing us the freedom of our will, as the Scripture and our understanding of love demand? How does God predetermine every choice without infringing on our control over the human choice? God is omnipotent, He is the Alpha and the Omega. He exists in a higher dimension and is all things at all times.
Imagine His existence is both vertical and horizontal whereas our existence here and now is this fallen world is experienced horizontally from a point moving only forward. God being both vertical and horizontal means that He exists in all places simultaneously. Ultimately, He knows who will respond to Him and who will not.
What about Scripture that tells us that God so loved the world He sent His Son... doesn't that suggest that He saved everyone? Yes, God has willed that everyone is saved even though we are filthy rags and no one seeks Him. Yet, even though He has willed that everyone be saved, He also willed 'freewill'; thus, we having a freewill have a free choice to reject that salvation.
Hence, we who have chosen God, are constantly overcoming this fallen world by choosing God's way most of the time... Paul said in Romans 7 that he does what he hates and not what he wants. This is our experience too. There is a tug of war in our life here in this fallen world. The enemy Satan pulls us his way while God pulls us His way. Those who have responded to being called and answering to God's call experience this fully every day.
Submit yourselves, then, to God. Resist the devil, and he will flee from you. Draw near to God, and He will draw near to you. Cleanse your hands, you sinners, and purify your hearts, for your loyalty is divided between God and the world ~ James 4:8.
Monday, October 10, 2016
Who are the Elect ~ Chosen?
Me ~ There are many scriptures in the New Testament that talk about election which is God's sovereign choice to save whoever He wants... whenever.
Therefore, my brothers and sisters, make every effort to confirm your calling
and election...2 Peter 1:10.
As far as the gospel is concerned, they are enemies for your sake; but as far as
election is concerned... Romans 11:28.
Yet, before the twins were born or had done anything good or
bad--in order that God's purpose in election might stand ... Romans 9:11.
Knowing your election, brothers loved by God. ... Knowing,
brethren beloved, your election of God. 1Thessalonians 1:4.
Even so then at this present time also there is a remnant
according to the election of grace. ... Romans 11:5.
What then? Israel has not obtained that which it seeks for; but the
election has obtained it, and the rest were blinded ... Romans 11:7.
And the Lord said to him: Go thy way; for this man is to me a vessel of election,
to carry my name before the Gentiles, and kings, and the children of Israel. ... Acts 9:15.
Yet, if you ask many Christians don't know anything about election. Is it or is it not enough to believe or to seek and you will find? God seeks for man in this fallen world because man would not think to seek after God and do His will. There are none righteous, no not one ~ Romans 3:10.
The question is this: Could you be born again and not saved? I mean being born again in the Spirit and still not be one of God's elect?
John ~ NO! When you respond to the call, you are born again and saved. God's time-fullness and timelessness are not contradictory. He is able to give us free will so He knows all choices. He has a hyper dimensional nature. He can exist in moment in all eternity. He can exist everywhere for a moment. A thousand years is a day and a day is as a thousand years to the Lord.
When you are talking about a hyper-dimensional being, it is not possible to grasp how this is possible. However, God is good all the time and all the time God is good. He is never not good. He gives everybody a chance and everyone has a chance in their life to respond to His calling. The story of the workers in the vineyard are an example of this. Men have no excuse for not believing in Him. If people chose to believe fairy tales invited by men over God's creation which is the visible testimony of God's existence that is their choice. All men are without excuse.
We can look to scripture as well for evidence that God is always good and merciful to those that love Him with all their heart, soul and mind. So, if you love God with all your heart, soul and mind then you will hear His voice. God works all things together for the good of those who love Him, who are called according to His purpose...Romans 8:28.
And those he predestined, he also called; those he called, he also justified; those he justified, he also glorified... Romans 8:30.
God chooses everyone but not everyone chooses God. To you who believe, then, this stone is precious. But to those who do not believe, "The stone the builders rejected has become the cornerstone," 1 Peter 2:4.
Therefore, my brothers and sisters, make every effort to confirm your calling
and election...2 Peter 1:10.
As far as the gospel is concerned, they are enemies for your sake; but as far as
election is concerned... Romans 11:28.
Yet, before the twins were born or had done anything good or
bad--in order that God's purpose in election might stand ... Romans 9:11.
Knowing your election, brothers loved by God. ... Knowing,
brethren beloved, your election of God. 1Thessalonians 1:4.
Even so then at this present time also there is a remnant
according to the election of grace. ... Romans 11:5.
What then? Israel has not obtained that which it seeks for; but the
election has obtained it, and the rest were blinded ... Romans 11:7.
And the Lord said to him: Go thy way; for this man is to me a vessel of election,
to carry my name before the Gentiles, and kings, and the children of Israel. ... Acts 9:15.
Yet, if you ask many Christians don't know anything about election. Is it or is it not enough to believe or to seek and you will find? God seeks for man in this fallen world because man would not think to seek after God and do His will. There are none righteous, no not one ~ Romans 3:10.
The question is this: Could you be born again and not saved? I mean being born again in the Spirit and still not be one of God's elect?
John ~ NO! When you respond to the call, you are born again and saved. God's time-fullness and timelessness are not contradictory. He is able to give us free will so He knows all choices. He has a hyper dimensional nature. He can exist in moment in all eternity. He can exist everywhere for a moment. A thousand years is a day and a day is as a thousand years to the Lord.
When you are talking about a hyper-dimensional being, it is not possible to grasp how this is possible. However, God is good all the time and all the time God is good. He is never not good. He gives everybody a chance and everyone has a chance in their life to respond to His calling. The story of the workers in the vineyard are an example of this. Men have no excuse for not believing in Him. If people chose to believe fairy tales invited by men over God's creation which is the visible testimony of God's existence that is their choice. All men are without excuse.
We can look to scripture as well for evidence that God is always good and merciful to those that love Him with all their heart, soul and mind. So, if you love God with all your heart, soul and mind then you will hear His voice. God works all things together for the good of those who love Him, who are called according to His purpose...Romans 8:28.
And those he predestined, he also called; those he called, he also justified; those he justified, he also glorified... Romans 8:30.
God chooses everyone but not everyone chooses God. To you who believe, then, this stone is precious. But to those who do not believe, "The stone the builders rejected has become the cornerstone," 1 Peter 2:4.
Tuesday, September 27, 2016
Grafted into the Abrahamic Covenant...
Me ~ What does it mean that Christians have been grafted into the Abrahamic Covenant?
John ~ It means that we have been adopted into the family that God created through Abraham. Interesting is that we have not been grafted into the line of Israel or Moses. Abraham was before the law. He was the first man of faith who pleased God by his faith not by following God's law. We have been grafted into that promise that Abraham was given that we would inherit a better Kingdom, a promised land and that is God's New Jerusalem.
Me ~ You said that we were not grafted into the line of Israel or Moses, then do the ten commandants apply?
John ~ Yes they do... because, they were not Mosaic law but God's law to everybody. The are ten laws that will always be practiced. God's law still exist. The ten commandments are the foundation laws of God's Kingdom.
Me ~ Should then the country of Israel be a major concern for Christians?
John ~ Only in this sense... because, we are grafted into the family of Abraham; we are spiritually related to the Hebrews. We as those grafted into the Abrahamic Covenant exist now as if at the beginning of the family of God on earth and Abraham was the first born of that. There are yet Hebrews that came after Abraham who did not accept Jesus and when they finally accept Jesus as their Messiah, they will join us in the family of faith which is Abraham and they will no longer be under the law sin and death. The Bible says that God will create one new man out of both.
John ~ It means that we have been adopted into the family that God created through Abraham. Interesting is that we have not been grafted into the line of Israel or Moses. Abraham was before the law. He was the first man of faith who pleased God by his faith not by following God's law. We have been grafted into that promise that Abraham was given that we would inherit a better Kingdom, a promised land and that is God's New Jerusalem.
Me ~ You said that we were not grafted into the line of Israel or Moses, then do the ten commandants apply?
John ~ Yes they do... because, they were not Mosaic law but God's law to everybody. The are ten laws that will always be practiced. God's law still exist. The ten commandments are the foundation laws of God's Kingdom.
Me ~ Should then the country of Israel be a major concern for Christians?
John ~ Only in this sense... because, we are grafted into the family of Abraham; we are spiritually related to the Hebrews. We as those grafted into the Abrahamic Covenant exist now as if at the beginning of the family of God on earth and Abraham was the first born of that. There are yet Hebrews that came after Abraham who did not accept Jesus and when they finally accept Jesus as their Messiah, they will join us in the family of faith which is Abraham and they will no longer be under the law sin and death. The Bible says that God will create one new man out of both.
Sunday, August 28, 2016
Spiritual Darkness, An Indicator of End Times!
Me ~ It seems that there is darkness looming. Why is that?
John ~ There is a darkness these days. Jesus said that in the last days love of many will grow cold. Basically saying that people will start to dislike people that they would not normally feel that way about. People will have a dislike of what they should like. Aborting children, people killing others for fun... or at least creating the images of that for entertainment. The light in man's soul is being dimmed.
Me ~ We have talked about end times before. What else do you see that suggests we are in such times?
John ~ The spiritual darkness is the greatest indicator of end times. The spirit of the age that we live in is identical to the times of Nimrod and Noah. We are going back to that. The rise of paganism as a global phenomenon is on the rise. Paganism is a return to ignorance worshiping the creature and not the creator. Trying to connect with the earth as if it is a living entity and it is not. Freeing oneself from the moral absolutes so that one does not feel guilty is the popular personal agenda. That is moral anarchy. Pagan societies were notoriously violent societies and today we can see this erupting all over the world on the very local personal level. Some American cities are the most violent in the world and supposedly American cities are the most civil. Christianity had a civilizing effect on society because it set down moral absolutes and rules. When you toss that out you begin to deconstruct civilization... taking us back to a new dark age not a golden age as the promoters of this new 'pagan' age claim.
Me ~ Is there any way to stop it? Should we in fact stop it... After all; we could look forward to the second coming...couldn't we?
John ~ We are supposed to be salt and light even know that the Lord is returning. The only thing keeping us from total darkness is what we are asked to do as Jesus's disciples did - spread the Gospel ~ the Good News!. While we are here, we must be salt and light. By doing so, the light does not become totally dark.
Me ~ How exactly?
John ~ "Put on the full armor of God, so that you can make your stand against the devil’s schemes. For our struggle is not against flesh and blood, but against the rulers against the authorities, against the powers of this worlds' darkness, and against the spiritual forces of evil in the heavenly realms. Therefore take up the full armor of God, so that when the day of evil comes, you will be able to stand your ground, and having done everything, to stand".…Ephesians 6:11-13.
John ~ There is a darkness these days. Jesus said that in the last days love of many will grow cold. Basically saying that people will start to dislike people that they would not normally feel that way about. People will have a dislike of what they should like. Aborting children, people killing others for fun... or at least creating the images of that for entertainment. The light in man's soul is being dimmed.
Me ~ We have talked about end times before. What else do you see that suggests we are in such times?
John ~ The spiritual darkness is the greatest indicator of end times. The spirit of the age that we live in is identical to the times of Nimrod and Noah. We are going back to that. The rise of paganism as a global phenomenon is on the rise. Paganism is a return to ignorance worshiping the creature and not the creator. Trying to connect with the earth as if it is a living entity and it is not. Freeing oneself from the moral absolutes so that one does not feel guilty is the popular personal agenda. That is moral anarchy. Pagan societies were notoriously violent societies and today we can see this erupting all over the world on the very local personal level. Some American cities are the most violent in the world and supposedly American cities are the most civil. Christianity had a civilizing effect on society because it set down moral absolutes and rules. When you toss that out you begin to deconstruct civilization... taking us back to a new dark age not a golden age as the promoters of this new 'pagan' age claim.
Me ~ Is there any way to stop it? Should we in fact stop it... After all; we could look forward to the second coming...couldn't we?
John ~ We are supposed to be salt and light even know that the Lord is returning. The only thing keeping us from total darkness is what we are asked to do as Jesus's disciples did - spread the Gospel ~ the Good News!. While we are here, we must be salt and light. By doing so, the light does not become totally dark.
Me ~ How exactly?
John ~ "Put on the full armor of God, so that you can make your stand against the devil’s schemes. For our struggle is not against flesh and blood, but against the rulers against the authorities, against the powers of this worlds' darkness, and against the spiritual forces of evil in the heavenly realms. Therefore take up the full armor of God, so that when the day of evil comes, you will be able to stand your ground, and having done everything, to stand".…Ephesians 6:11-13.
Tuesday, June 7, 2016
Ephesians 5 ~ Walk in the Way of Love and Instructions for Christian Households
Walk in the Way of Love
Follow God’s example, therefore, as dearly loved children and walk in the way of love, just as Christ loved us and gave himself up for us as a fragrant offering and sacrifice to God.
Follow God’s example, therefore, as dearly loved children and walk in the way of love, just as Christ loved us and gave himself up for us as a fragrant offering and sacrifice to God.
But
among you there must not be even a hint of sexual immorality, or of any
kind of impurity, or of greed, because these are improper for God’s
holy people. Nor should there be obscenity, foolish talk or coarse joking, which are out of place, but rather thanksgiving. For
of this you can be sure: No immoral, impure or greedy person—such a
person is an idolater—has any inheritance in the kingdom of Christ and
of God. Let no one deceive you with empty words, for because of such things God’s wrath comes on those who are disobedient. Therefore do not be partners with them.
For you were once darkness, but now you are light in the Lord. Live as children of light (for the fruit of the light consists in all goodness, righteousness and truth) and find out what pleases the Lord. Have nothing to do with the fruitless deeds of darkness, but rather expose them. It is shameful even to mention what the disobedient do in secret. But everything exposed by the light becomes visible—and everything that is illuminated becomes a light. This is why it is said:
“Wake up, sleeper,
rise from the dead,
and Christ will shine on you.”
Be very careful, then, how you live—not as unwise but as wise, making the most of every opportunity, because the days are evil. Therefore do not be foolish, but understand what the Lord’s will is. Do not get drunk on wine, which leads to debauchery. Instead, be filled with the Spirit, speaking to one another with psalms, hymns, and songs from the Spirit. Sing and make music from your heart to the Lord, always giving thanks to God the Father for everything, in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ.
Instructions for Christian Households
Submit to one another out of reverence for Christ. Wives, submit yourselves to your own husbands as you do to the Lord. For the husband is the head of the wife as Christ is the head of the church, his body, of which he is the Savior. Now as the church submits to Christ, so also wives should submit to their husbands in everything.
Husbands, love your wives, just as Christ loved the church and gave himself up for her to make her holy; cleansing
her by the washing with water through the word, and to present her to himself as a radiant church, without stain or wrinkle or any other blemish, but holy and blameless. In this same way, husbands ought to love their wives as their own bodies. He who loves his wife loves himself. After all, no one ever hated their own body, but they feed and care for their body, just as Christ does the church— for we are members of his body. “For this reason a man will leave his father and mother and be united to his wife, and the two will become one flesh.” This is a profound mystery—but I am talking about Christ and the church. However, each one of you also must love his wife as he loves himself, and the wife must respect her husband.
Thursday, May 26, 2016
Does God Repent and God's Quantum Signature of You!
Someone asked me if God repents, so does God repent? BTW, repent means to rethink.
Does God repent, it seems that way. Actually, its more the situation that people repent; when man thinks like 'God'. When man does God allows their prayer to be answered which shows us that God is merciful. The best example is either the flood story or Sodom. In both stories, God seems to have repented... change his mind. He saved Noah. He had mercy and saved 8 people. But, actually God doesn't change His mind. God did not wipe out all life at the time of the flood. God reacts to man's request when man is acting in the Holy Spirit, Noah was a God created being that God chose to be saved after He declared that He would not save anyone. In the situation of Abraham, when man is asking God to have mercy, knowing He is a righteous God, then God will react to man. God knew that Abraham was going to ask to save even a few ... and God responded to Abraham's request and God respected that. That is God's mercy and grace.
Quantum Signature -
We hear a lot today about gene manipulation. We are told to think that this is a way of helping people or healing people, or controlling the bad things that may or may not happen to people. In this fallen world, we should not tinker in such things that we have no business to be in. To understand man's (God given) quantum signature, we can imagine that its like a film. Imagine if a film an entire movie on film, made of discreet frames that when moved through a projector at the right speed gives the illusion of movement.
In this same way, we live a quantum life where each moment is quantifiable like a frames in a movie. I could take one frame and save that frame, you could be saved in that moment, you would be literally frozen in time. Man's ability to handle quantum knowledge only goes that far. We live embedded in the 3 D universe, we are unable to know more than what has happened and is happening but not the future. We could not resurrect anyone's life without the complete knowledge which is the person' lifeline. Just as I could not save a movie by saving one frame at a time. We cannot do that ourselves. But God, sees our life as an entire movie, one whole reel, so he is able to resurrect. What is known to Him can be resurrected without anything missing.
The brain is just an organic computer; but the soul, mind is running the program. This was the premise of Mary Shelly's Frankenstein. Would it be a different person should must have wondered? Yes, unless God does it, it will be a different entity all together.
The anti-Christ will come into existence in this way. We think we have created life in our own image but it won't be.
Saturday, May 14, 2016
The Enemy at the Door!
Me ~ Who is the enemy?
John ~ The enemy are the forces of evil in high places. Paul said that we do not wrestle against flesh and blood but against powers and authorities in high places. Human beings are simple taking marching orders from wicked and evil authorities in higher dimensions. We should and can even call them fallen angels.
Me ~ Are you saying that people here on earth are possessed by fallen angels as in evil spirits and are somehow using people like puppets, pulling strings to get what they want? And, do people know that they are being used?
John ~ They are not possessed but highly influenced. They have chosen to accept these orders. Yes, they know that they are being used. These people are Satanists. They are in the federal government, in the UN and in the Vatican and in many churches... running the banks. Basically, wherever there is power and money, you will find such people. That is how they stay there.
Me ~ Why is that?
John ~ Because, Satan is the god of this fallen world. To prove that, when Jesus was in the wilderness, Satan came to him and offered Jesus all the kingdoms and powers of this world and how was that possible? It was because again Satan is the ruler of this fallen world and can and did make that offer. This fallen world belongs to Satan.
Me ~ I agree and understand. Yet, many churches who claim that they are as well as their members Christians, seem to think that God is directing their life here and will provide them with wealth and health and all good things. Doesn't that seem like a contradiction to what you just stated? I mean, wouldn't it be Satan that is making the promises just as he promised Jesus.
John ~ I need to untangle this. There seem to be two messages. Those that are His, He will provide for us if we put His kingdom first. Yet, there are those that hold to a prosperity gospel that God does not want anything bad to happen to you only good things such as wealth and riches. So, the truth of the matter is that God says the He will take care and we should trust Him in all things and not focus our lives on gaining and holding onto material things. However, we will suffer loss and we will suffer pain and suffer at the hand of those who do not know Him. Ultimately, the problem is the definition of prosperity and wealth. It can mean money but it also means health and all the things that give us happiness here and now. However, they are not to be our objective in this world and could not be given this fallen world. Our joy comes from trusting and serving the Lord.
The problem with the prosperity gospel is that it puts prosperity first, we are not supposed to be focused on prosperity in this life but on our relationship with God... some will be good things and some will be bad things.
Me ~ Yes, I agree for the most part. However, I think that we differ a bit. I think that we have already been given everything we need in this world = The Blessed Hope Jesus Christ. If we want and ask for more aren't we being rebellious against God and in fact being anti-Christ. We are basically saying then that Jesus was not enough. Certainly, ultimately He is enough since this is still a fallen world and God's plan for this fallen world is its passing away 1 Cor7:13.
If anything good happens to us, good by our definition, then it could very well be from Satan since he rules this world. The only way to overcome him in his world is when 'good' things happen to us, we give thanks and praise to Jesus Christ.
John ~ Ok, but you are leaving out what Christ said, "When you don't ask for it, you won't get it". Jesus who is our Lord and Savior says "The Lord is our provision" for all we need. God would not give us a snake if we ask for a stone. Does this mean we will not suffer? Does this mean bad things will not happen. No. God promises He will get us safely into His Kingdom. There is no sin in asking God for the things we need. He clearly wants us to ask. We should take Him at his Word. The Bible says that if you don't get what you pray for, you ask amiss. We have to understand that not everything we ask for we will get. And, likely we will not get and that is because we live in a fallen world.
Me ~ Agree. Yet, many people will say "I think God wants me to have better". Isn't that like the illustrative story of when a man asks God to be rescued from a flood and, along comes a canoe. The man refuses because he expects a yacht. Couldn't God have gotten the man out with the canoe?
And, shouldn't we those who are children of God have the Kingdom within and we are thus able to move about doing the work of the Lord, preaching the Good News which is that Christ died for our sin and faith in Him will deliver us?
John ~ Does God say He wants us to have better. Yes, we trust Him to give us what we need. This is part of the trust. The story of the man who refused the canoe is not scriptural. It is dangerous for us to think that God wants us to take or have what little there is. We should be asking for His will to be done here on earth as it is in heaven. Let us understand that heaven is a place of perfection. There is no lack in heaven. If we want God's will to be done, we can ask for those things on earth. However, God does not always say yes. When we don't get what we ask for we should not be upset. God knows better than we do.
Me ~ Agree in that we are overcomers by saying that God's will be done, and by asking for all things excellent and or perfect of spirit for in that are all things we could ever want.
John ~ The enemy are the forces of evil in high places. Paul said that we do not wrestle against flesh and blood but against powers and authorities in high places. Human beings are simple taking marching orders from wicked and evil authorities in higher dimensions. We should and can even call them fallen angels.
Me ~ Are you saying that people here on earth are possessed by fallen angels as in evil spirits and are somehow using people like puppets, pulling strings to get what they want? And, do people know that they are being used?
John ~ They are not possessed but highly influenced. They have chosen to accept these orders. Yes, they know that they are being used. These people are Satanists. They are in the federal government, in the UN and in the Vatican and in many churches... running the banks. Basically, wherever there is power and money, you will find such people. That is how they stay there.
Me ~ Why is that?
John ~ Because, Satan is the god of this fallen world. To prove that, when Jesus was in the wilderness, Satan came to him and offered Jesus all the kingdoms and powers of this world and how was that possible? It was because again Satan is the ruler of this fallen world and can and did make that offer. This fallen world belongs to Satan.
Me ~ I agree and understand. Yet, many churches who claim that they are as well as their members Christians, seem to think that God is directing their life here and will provide them with wealth and health and all good things. Doesn't that seem like a contradiction to what you just stated? I mean, wouldn't it be Satan that is making the promises just as he promised Jesus.
John ~ I need to untangle this. There seem to be two messages. Those that are His, He will provide for us if we put His kingdom first. Yet, there are those that hold to a prosperity gospel that God does not want anything bad to happen to you only good things such as wealth and riches. So, the truth of the matter is that God says the He will take care and we should trust Him in all things and not focus our lives on gaining and holding onto material things. However, we will suffer loss and we will suffer pain and suffer at the hand of those who do not know Him. Ultimately, the problem is the definition of prosperity and wealth. It can mean money but it also means health and all the things that give us happiness here and now. However, they are not to be our objective in this world and could not be given this fallen world. Our joy comes from trusting and serving the Lord.
The problem with the prosperity gospel is that it puts prosperity first, we are not supposed to be focused on prosperity in this life but on our relationship with God... some will be good things and some will be bad things.
Me ~ Yes, I agree for the most part. However, I think that we differ a bit. I think that we have already been given everything we need in this world = The Blessed Hope Jesus Christ. If we want and ask for more aren't we being rebellious against God and in fact being anti-Christ. We are basically saying then that Jesus was not enough. Certainly, ultimately He is enough since this is still a fallen world and God's plan for this fallen world is its passing away 1 Cor7:13.
If anything good happens to us, good by our definition, then it could very well be from Satan since he rules this world. The only way to overcome him in his world is when 'good' things happen to us, we give thanks and praise to Jesus Christ.
John ~ Ok, but you are leaving out what Christ said, "When you don't ask for it, you won't get it". Jesus who is our Lord and Savior says "The Lord is our provision" for all we need. God would not give us a snake if we ask for a stone. Does this mean we will not suffer? Does this mean bad things will not happen. No. God promises He will get us safely into His Kingdom. There is no sin in asking God for the things we need. He clearly wants us to ask. We should take Him at his Word. The Bible says that if you don't get what you pray for, you ask amiss. We have to understand that not everything we ask for we will get. And, likely we will not get and that is because we live in a fallen world.
Me ~ Agree. Yet, many people will say "I think God wants me to have better". Isn't that like the illustrative story of when a man asks God to be rescued from a flood and, along comes a canoe. The man refuses because he expects a yacht. Couldn't God have gotten the man out with the canoe?
And, shouldn't we those who are children of God have the Kingdom within and we are thus able to move about doing the work of the Lord, preaching the Good News which is that Christ died for our sin and faith in Him will deliver us?
John ~ Does God say He wants us to have better. Yes, we trust Him to give us what we need. This is part of the trust. The story of the man who refused the canoe is not scriptural. It is dangerous for us to think that God wants us to take or have what little there is. We should be asking for His will to be done here on earth as it is in heaven. Let us understand that heaven is a place of perfection. There is no lack in heaven. If we want God's will to be done, we can ask for those things on earth. However, God does not always say yes. When we don't get what we ask for we should not be upset. God knows better than we do.
Me ~ Agree in that we are overcomers by saying that God's will be done, and by asking for all things excellent and or perfect of spirit for in that are all things we could ever want.
Monday, March 28, 2016
Resurrection ~ Why is it so important?
Me ~ Is the resurrection key to understanding the role of Jesus Christ regarding man's current dimensional existence and God's promise of eternal life in a higher dimension?
John ~ Yes, it is because by his resurrection he has ended the curse of spiritual death for those of us who accept his gift of eternal life. Of course this is based on His worthiness. I want to say that Jesus demonstrated higher dimensional attributes in his post resurrection state, such as being to appear and disappear at will. To be recognized or not at will and being able to walk the earth as flesh and body but also being able to leave in his spiritual nature. These attributes have been promised to those of us who have been born of the spirit through Jesus Christ when he returns.
The resurrection is an illustration of man's transformation from being dead in sin to being alive in Christ. The resurrected body of Christ appeared in the flesh to His disciples for purpose of revealing His resurrected dimensional attributes. We too will be resurrected from the dead and have such attributes. When Jesus returns, He will raise the dead and give those who were dead and those still alive glorified bodies. People in heaven now have spiritual bodies but they don't have physical bodies which means they do not have glorified bodies as Christ did after His resurrection. But, they will get them and we will too at the rapture.
The dead will rise first and we those still alive will be raptured which means that in the twinkling of an eye, we will be given a body just like His. You see, Jesus having both a physical and spiritual body = a glorified body represents the new Adam. Jesus exists in both in this reality and in higher realities. Jesus demonstrated this as He ate with the disciples after His resurrection. He was alive, a better version of man that we will become too. We will be like Him for we will see Him as He is. We will be known just as He is known.
John ~ Yes, it is because by his resurrection he has ended the curse of spiritual death for those of us who accept his gift of eternal life. Of course this is based on His worthiness. I want to say that Jesus demonstrated higher dimensional attributes in his post resurrection state, such as being to appear and disappear at will. To be recognized or not at will and being able to walk the earth as flesh and body but also being able to leave in his spiritual nature. These attributes have been promised to those of us who have been born of the spirit through Jesus Christ when he returns.
The resurrection is an illustration of man's transformation from being dead in sin to being alive in Christ. The resurrected body of Christ appeared in the flesh to His disciples for purpose of revealing His resurrected dimensional attributes. We too will be resurrected from the dead and have such attributes. When Jesus returns, He will raise the dead and give those who were dead and those still alive glorified bodies. People in heaven now have spiritual bodies but they don't have physical bodies which means they do not have glorified bodies as Christ did after His resurrection. But, they will get them and we will too at the rapture.
The dead will rise first and we those still alive will be raptured which means that in the twinkling of an eye, we will be given a body just like His. You see, Jesus having both a physical and spiritual body = a glorified body represents the new Adam. Jesus exists in both in this reality and in higher realities. Jesus demonstrated this as He ate with the disciples after His resurrection. He was alive, a better version of man that we will become too. We will be like Him for we will see Him as He is. We will be known just as He is known.
Thursday, March 10, 2016
Gog Magog War is Post Millennium!
Me ~ When is the Gog / Magog War and Why?
John ~ Firstly, the Gog / Magog War is not going to happen now. Gog is not the anti-Christ. Gog is Satan. And, Satan is a fallen cherubim who is the supreme anti-Christ spirit = against God. There is going to be a final anti-Christ = the beast who is the last one. This anti-Christ is coming as a man in the flesh.he will be indwelt by the spirit of the evil one, the dragon gives him authority.
The Gog Magog War happens at the end of the thousand year 'millennium' which is Christ's rule on earth. During that reign, Satan is however, bound in the pit at this end time. Satan is released from his prison and attempts to over throw God from His Holy Mountain to sit in the temple as God. This is the Gog Magog War.
Me ~ What led you to arrive at that conclusion?
John ~ It is simple. Gog is not the anti-Christ. He is Satan. The anti-Christ is an 'end time' man who is filled of the anti-Christ spirit... against God. The anti-Christ appears at the end of the world age which looks like now is the time ripe for his taking a world stage. This man is going to come from the area from Assyria. He will gain political and military power in the Middle East. He then proceeds to get more power when ten rulers give over their authority to him. At some point, he makes a covenant with many nations one being Israel which says that Israel will be left alone and be safe.
From the moment of the signing of that covenant, until thereafter a period of three and half years will pass, and he breaks this covenant and attacks Israel and he succeeds entering the Temple which was built earlier during that time from the signing until the three and a half years, and places an image of himself in the Temple which speaks and tells everyone to worship the beast - which he is = the anti-Christ. His mark will be required by all people to accept in order to buy and sell.
A lot of Jews and Christians will refuse to do so. Many Jews will flee to the mountains of Jordan and be safe there. And so he will turn his persecutions against Christians.
Then at some point, the day of the Lord happens when Christ returns and nearly destroys the earth entirely (Armageddon) and at the end of this short period, the anti-Christ is overthrown by Christ when he returns and Christ sets up the Millennium Kingdom on earth. That is when the Satan is imprisoned in the pit for those thousand years. While the anti-Christ and the false prophet are put into the lake of fire. They are gone.
Let me say that the most important language used to support this is found in Rev. 20 where we read that Satan is thrown into the pit for one thousand years and just prior to that the anti-Christ and the false prophet were thrown into the lake of fire. "But the beast was captured, and with it the false prophet who had performed the signs on its behalf... The two of them were thrown alive into the fiery lake of burning sulfur." ~Rev. 19:20.
Back to the Gog Magog War which we find in Ezekiel 38-39, this does not fit anywhere in any time prior to all of that. Firstly, what we read in Ezekiel is a war that is not fought with modern weaponry. It is fought with weapons that today would be considered outdated and even ancient. This means that all modern weaponry is wiped out, in fact, during the thousand years, there will be no need of such weaponry. The final battle is the Gog/ Magog War. Satan is unleashed. Again, Gog is Satan. Gog means from under the roof. Magog means "out from under the roof". Gog refers to Satan as he is captive, bound, kept as it were: under a roof. Magog refers to Satan being unloosed. As Magog, he bursts forth from where he had been bound, under the roof.
Finally, at the very end the devil - Satan, who deceived them, was thrown into the lake of burning sulfur, where the beast and the false prophet had been thrown. ~ Rev. 20:15.
After this battle, the New Jerusalem will come and no more tears will be shed.
Recap -
Gog is a spirit, Satan is the supreme anti-Christ spirit and the anti-Christ who takes the world stage is a man = the beast. So again in reviewing end times, we begin with the anti-Christ 'the beast' who is a man of fierce countenance who has Satan's supreme anti-Christ spirit. There is a covenant made with Israel and the temple is built and the anti-Christ sits there causing the ‘abomination of desolation’.
After 3 and 1/2 years, the Lord Jesus Christ comes and then we have the (Armageddon) and the Rapture happens where we meet Christ in the cloud - this marks the end of the seven year tribulation. Just then, Satan 'a fallen cherubim - the supreme anti-Christ spirit' is chained; and the anti-Christ/man ‘the beast’ is thrown into the lake of fire along with the false prophet and then the Millennium begins.
After one thousand years, Satan is released from the pit, the Gog/Magog battle takes place and after that...Satan is also thrown into the lake of fire where the beast 'anti-Christ' and the false prophet already are and the New Jerusalem comes down as heaven and earth are joined.
John ~ Firstly, the Gog / Magog War is not going to happen now. Gog is not the anti-Christ. Gog is Satan. And, Satan is a fallen cherubim who is the supreme anti-Christ spirit = against God. There is going to be a final anti-Christ = the beast who is the last one. This anti-Christ is coming as a man in the flesh.he will be indwelt by the spirit of the evil one, the dragon gives him authority.
The Gog Magog War happens at the end of the thousand year 'millennium' which is Christ's rule on earth. During that reign, Satan is however, bound in the pit at this end time. Satan is released from his prison and attempts to over throw God from His Holy Mountain to sit in the temple as God. This is the Gog Magog War.
Me ~ What led you to arrive at that conclusion?
John ~ It is simple. Gog is not the anti-Christ. He is Satan. The anti-Christ is an 'end time' man who is filled of the anti-Christ spirit... against God. The anti-Christ appears at the end of the world age which looks like now is the time ripe for his taking a world stage. This man is going to come from the area from Assyria. He will gain political and military power in the Middle East. He then proceeds to get more power when ten rulers give over their authority to him. At some point, he makes a covenant with many nations one being Israel which says that Israel will be left alone and be safe.
From the moment of the signing of that covenant, until thereafter a period of three and half years will pass, and he breaks this covenant and attacks Israel and he succeeds entering the Temple which was built earlier during that time from the signing until the three and a half years, and places an image of himself in the Temple which speaks and tells everyone to worship the beast - which he is = the anti-Christ. His mark will be required by all people to accept in order to buy and sell.
A lot of Jews and Christians will refuse to do so. Many Jews will flee to the mountains of Jordan and be safe there. And so he will turn his persecutions against Christians.
Then at some point, the day of the Lord happens when Christ returns and nearly destroys the earth entirely (Armageddon) and at the end of this short period, the anti-Christ is overthrown by Christ when he returns and Christ sets up the Millennium Kingdom on earth. That is when the Satan is imprisoned in the pit for those thousand years. While the anti-Christ and the false prophet are put into the lake of fire. They are gone.
Let me say that the most important language used to support this is found in Rev. 20 where we read that Satan is thrown into the pit for one thousand years and just prior to that the anti-Christ and the false prophet were thrown into the lake of fire. "But the beast was captured, and with it the false prophet who had performed the signs on its behalf... The two of them were thrown alive into the fiery lake of burning sulfur." ~Rev. 19:20.
Back to the Gog Magog War which we find in Ezekiel 38-39, this does not fit anywhere in any time prior to all of that. Firstly, what we read in Ezekiel is a war that is not fought with modern weaponry. It is fought with weapons that today would be considered outdated and even ancient. This means that all modern weaponry is wiped out, in fact, during the thousand years, there will be no need of such weaponry. The final battle is the Gog/ Magog War. Satan is unleashed. Again, Gog is Satan. Gog means from under the roof. Magog means "out from under the roof". Gog refers to Satan as he is captive, bound, kept as it were: under a roof. Magog refers to Satan being unloosed. As Magog, he bursts forth from where he had been bound, under the roof.
Finally, at the very end the devil - Satan, who deceived them, was thrown into the lake of burning sulfur, where the beast and the false prophet had been thrown. ~ Rev. 20:15.
After this battle, the New Jerusalem will come and no more tears will be shed.
Recap -
Gog is a spirit, Satan is the supreme anti-Christ spirit and the anti-Christ who takes the world stage is a man = the beast. So again in reviewing end times, we begin with the anti-Christ 'the beast' who is a man of fierce countenance who has Satan's supreme anti-Christ spirit. There is a covenant made with Israel and the temple is built and the anti-Christ sits there causing the ‘abomination of desolation’.
After 3 and 1/2 years, the Lord Jesus Christ comes and then we have the (Armageddon) and the Rapture happens where we meet Christ in the cloud - this marks the end of the seven year tribulation. Just then, Satan 'a fallen cherubim - the supreme anti-Christ spirit' is chained; and the anti-Christ/man ‘the beast’ is thrown into the lake of fire along with the false prophet and then the Millennium begins.
After one thousand years, Satan is released from the pit, the Gog/Magog battle takes place and after that...Satan is also thrown into the lake of fire where the beast 'anti-Christ' and the false prophet already are and the New Jerusalem comes down as heaven and earth are joined.
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